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Just a thought. Maybe the reason that study suggested against water exercise was due to the amount of weight put on the knees when exiting the pool. I myself am a big lady and I lover exercising in the pool because you don't get over heated and your weightless for that time. However when I exit the pool I am so very aware of my weight and gravity. Just thinking out loud. Thank you
I love how fun and casual these videos are vs other ppl who deliver dry info like at a science symposium. I prefer to laugh and relax with Bob and Brad's conversational delivery.
U guys are great and funny. I just had Orthoscopic on my knee to clean up artheritis debri… Just 2 weeks ago. Its early I know but something isnt right. I have puss coming out of one of the incisions. Its red puffy. No real feeling around it. The other 2 seem ok. Docs on vacation til monday. He did say clean it with peroxide… Just gotta hang in there several more days.😒 But am excited for all this to be over so I can walk longer. Thank you for this information.
Pause? Happens to the best of us Bob😂
Is my life a lie bob??
I am glad your wife is walking again, Bob ! Great video Bob and Brad !!
I wish I knew about the surgeries. I had discoid meniscus and got surgery for it. My knee is worse. I have osteoarthritis now in that knee. 😭
Can you talk more about this since you said that you weren’t going to get into all the report?
Add the funniest therapists on YouTube too….I get knee arches after running, jumping & squatting with weights & popping sounds sometimes.
Thanks for all the videos guys! I enjoy watching even if it's not something that I relate to.
I have a question about the knee a little off topic . My father has extensive R.A and O.A of the hip and knee (both L.side) he has been compensating so much that he’s contracted in that L. Hip and now starting in the front upper muscle of knee . I suggested to the “p.t” about the behind the knee brace to prevent further contracture, to be check and release frequently. But she seems to think it wouldn’t do any good .Can I have your personal opinion ? Thank you for all your videos they help me a lot in my own life and in my profession.
I loved water therapy! It really helped me with knees, back, and hips. Like others have mentioned you can rock it in the pool, but the return to reality when you go to get out is always an adventure. A blend of land based and water based workouts was a winner for me.
The 8th Big Lie: Drilling a hole in your arthritic knee DOES NOT release the evil spirits in charge of arthritis stuff. Trust me!
I disagree that water fitness doesnt work bcus i had severe pain and i started a water therapy program and when i got better i started water jogging water walking water fitness and i feel great. I got 80% of my strength back and im able to do more things then ever b4.
i do suggest wearing running shoes with soft soles all the time, doing stationary bike exercises everyday in the morning and evening 15 minutes each and once a week general leg exercise to train quads/hamstrings and other smaller leg and calve muscles. i tried all the other jazz with pills and physiotherapy etc and was even suggested surgery but it all came down to moving my legs everyday and strengthening them. took about 1,5 half year but now my knees are much better. still cant jump and do explosive stuff but in daily life they are perfect
Strangely enough stair climbing Helps my knees.
i've been subscribed for some time now and haven't seen a video in a month or two and holy cow! You have sponsors, better editing, and headsets now!?!? Happy for you guys!
Can Bio-Energy be implemented in curing arthritis??
I started doing water exercises 6 months ago. My pain has lessened and. I now have much greater range of motion in both knees. I attend classes at the local park district. The pool has a staircase to walk in and out of the water I could never use the ship ladder.
When I stretch my arm and twist my wrist it makes a popping sound like when you crack your knuckles. Could it be arthritis?
Very interesting. My ortho says not to bother with glucosamine so I don't. But my vet recommends it so on the off chance that it could possibly do a little good, I give it to my Sheltie who has the beginnings of arthritis in his knee or the equivalent to a knee in a dog. He's 11 and still competes in dog agility. So maybe I don't need to give it to him anymore.
Question :Can you put up a link to the study?
Nothing new here. Serious worn out knee osteoarthritis (bone on bone) has a variety of Medical entreprenuers offering injections of Stem cells,Blood platelets, Cortisone, or Hyalururonic acid variations. Your comments please 🙂
There's one general practitioner that I'd listen to and that's my current one. I nearly ended up in a wheelchair thanks to a general practitioners incompetence, sorry but I'd take this research with a pinch of salt. If the natural and alternative methods work, keep doing them! It's your body and you know it better than anyone
I remember you referenced this study before. I need to track it down and read in detail. RE: Ice–they may not have found evidence to support it, but I find icing the knee soothing. I know that icing generally constricts flow, so I always wait and do the icing a short while before I go to bed. Glad they recommend against surgical interventions like trimming meniscus etc. I have not had diagnostics done on my knee so can't say for sure what the problem is, but refuse injections (from what I've read they just deteriorate your tissue faster) or surgery. K-tape works sometimes. There have been times I used it & the knee felt better, & other times when it didn't make a difference. You have to know what you're doing with it for sure and that takes some trial & error. Last but not least, hope they're right about shock absorbing footwear. In one of your recent videos, you talked about "motion stabilizer' category tennis shoes. That was what was recommended to me four or five years ago. The shoes are indeed sturdy/stabilizing but hard as a brick to walk on. Just went to a different athletic shoe store & they sold me a pair they say is good for stabilization but they are MUCH lighter weight AND soft to walk on. It's too soon to know the effect on the knee but it's nice to feel like I'm NOT walking on rocks all the time.
Arthroscopic surgery gave me tremendous relief, which has lasted for years now.
I wish I knew this long ago. Torn meniscus at 15, arthroscopic surgery at 35 (I held out!), and pretty significant arthritis at 52.
EXERCISE NOT EXERSICE!
I think it would be great if you provide the DOI for this article. How detailed was this study? Will/should hospitals and other clinicians change the way they practice based on this study?
"It's a family show" Oh my goodness LOL!!!
Land based exercises is just more access9ible and affordable for most, it is not because water based exercise does not work. The average person is more likely to continue a land based program.
I've been doing the GLA:d program for knee artritis…it's a program developed in Denmark which focuses on strengthening the muscles etc that support the knees and hips, mostly using resistance bands, steps, and core strengthening….I'm not sure it's available in the US yet, just Denmark, Canada and Australia…it's 2 one hour classes a week for 6 weeks and I've seen significant improvement over that time…a lot less pain, and more movement in my knee…
I have been taking glucosomane/chondroitin for about 17 years. A friend recommed itsince it was the first reliefshe had ever gotten from severe back pain. I ignored her suggestion, so later she gave me a 30 day jar. After I used up that jar I did not buy another, but after 2 weeks the pain returned, so I was convinced. About a year later I added MSM upon the advice of 2 other friends. It was clear that also added to the relief. The research I have read about appears to be limited by their methods: limited time frame, limited pain range, low dose, not going month on/month off, generally no study of those who do claim relief – usually calling that a placebo effect, rather than taking a look at why it works for some people and not for others. My hypothesis: it works for some people and not others for reasons yet to be understood.
This was my experience with meniscus tear. They took 50% because they said it was bad, and pain is back. Especially after repetitive exercise. I try to mix my workouts, yoga strength, cardio; in good weather walking.
Cannabis oil (CBD). And no, it won’t get you high. All it will do is easily, safely, and effectively relieve your pain.
With all due regard there guys, why was it that Bob's wife ended up with knee arthritis so bad she had to use a crutch? Didn't you see that coming? You ARE the most famous physical therapists on the internet afterall. Why wasn't her knee problem seen early on and fixed? Diet has a lot to do with it too. In my world I see people in their 50's, now complaining about knee pain, who were joggers in their earlier years. They thought that "cardio" is what they needed to stay healthy in their later years. Now the pounding of a million jolts to the knee comes back to haunt them.
Awesome. But go easy on the jump cuts. Making me dizzy!
Nice to hear that you still recommend using kineseology tape if it makes things feel better. I just have basic black tape and have not gone for any of the brighter colors, but I use it a lot when I am working out and have tendonitis or a muscle that is giving me trouble – it does seem to help support things. Ideally, one should be an elite athlete who has a trainer to do this rather than having to fight with the tape and do it by yourself in the bathroom. Another thing that seems to make a big difference if I am trying to avoid knee or hip pain is wearing leggings or shorts with compression technology. I quickly learned not to use a creme with capsaicin in it, cuz' once my pores start to open to let the sweat out that hot pepper stuff burns – I have sensitive skin, I realized.
"Whatever works for you" That's my motto.
To the person regarding the water, everyone has access to the ymca and its budget friendly and now most insurance pays for the memberships. As to poison water, our air is poison you dont see us not breathing it. Sometg is better than nothing and i aint sick nor are the millions of others that get in the pool. Quite the opposite actually so, no excuses plz.
I went to a total carnivore diet and my knee arthritis disappeared.
My left knee has given me arthritic pain for years, particularly when cold or wet weather comes. Some days it is so bad I can hardly walk or climb stairs. I treated it gently for years, but that didn't help…as a matter of fact my knee just got weaker. Then I figured I might as well hit the gym and do leg weights and lo and behold, it really helps! I legs are overall much stronger, my knee hurts less and flares up less dramatically. I never wanted to go the surgery route…I'd rather use a cane, if I it got that bad. Dropping about 10lbs/4.5kg also made a big difference.
I'm ok with placebo effects.
Hi Bob&Brad, I'd like to read this article you mentioned, can you give me the link?. Thank you and loves 😘
Do you feel like people are back to the same problems 5-6 months post-surgery because PT & home exercises taper off?
Low carb/keto diet has eliminated my joint issues. Lowering insulin lowers inflammation. I have heard others with the same results.
What about he ocean? Then u can gradually get used to land as you practice the works in less and less water and u have he waves to woke on balance and stability.
What about cider vinegar? Iv heard multiple people have symptom relief, zero pain v quickly from regularly taking cider vinegar.
Heat feels good but ice is the only thing that has effectively stopped the pain from standing for too long, kneeling, etc.
They found the cure for arthritis in Australia. Pentosan injections. Aussie football players that had to retire because of arthritis are playing again. Been tested on racehorses for decades. Who knows if it’ll ever be approved in the USA.
So can you HEAL arthritis in the knee? Or is it a life long diag?
When I walk upstairs, why does my right knee 'crackle'?
Do you think you could maybe do a video on groin tears sometime, exercises for rehab ,that would be great thank you.
Of course there can be exceptions. Also maybe the exception has to do with a secondary issue, some mal-tracking or other underlying health condition. So the tape or glucosamine might help certain people. Plus "biochemical individuality" of course. As to land therapy vs water- land has the full weight, heavier gravity helps build muscle. Plus when you actually do walk it is on land. Also gravity plus muscle development may help bone mass? Maybe a factor in there somewhere?
Water exercise is the only thing I CAN do.
Thanks for this. My knees creak a lot- have done since i was a teenager. Didn't stop me getting an athletic award. I always warmed up carefully. Now i'm older, they feel a bit stiff and ache at times. I think weight loss and walking by gradually building it up is a good idea. I will try the Tai Chi. Think swimming is a great exercise, but can see it is not weight bearing, so may not help with the walking. I wear sensible sports/walking shoes and that helps too.
I started on collagen by perfect helped me with back and joint pain..
I concur with your research from what I have studied as well when it comes to my knee pain. Proteolytic Enzymes, knee brace/strap and PT have helped me immensely. Thank you so much for sharing!
Hibiscus surgery actually made my knee far worse. It will not lock now, stayed bent. I even did therapy. 3 to 5 degrees.
That's no joke about hand pain from using assistance devices. I had to use a walker (could never get the hang of crutches!) and be non weight-bearing for six weeks after microfracture surgery on my left knee TWO YEARS ago and my right palm of my hand STILL hurts. Do you guys know of anything that can be done or that I can do to fix that?
What you both stated are absolutely correct but I notice you did not even consider the use of massage and self-massage of the quadriceps muscles, since they extend the lower leg when walking. There is evidence which supports the use of full body massage Dr. A. Perlman's studies with Duke University has proven full body massage to be effective. Additionally Dr. Atkins' study of self-massage for knee arthritis, on the thigh muscles also has proven results. The benefit of self-massage is obvious because it can be done with immediate results, then a person can walk , exercise, do Thai Chi, etc., without added pain. This is my research, I have taught this to hundreds of people, and it can be done on top of clothes anytime and anywhere. One of the major problems is people do not touch or massage there body's because they do not understand the body can heal, but massage releases tight muscles, enhances circulation and provides better range of motion. This is current research to help people with chronic joint pain. The best part of this technique it is simple, easy to learn and effective. Good job gentlemen keep up the good work…
I believe this is the study Bob and Brad are talking about. https://www.racgp.org.au/download/Documents/Guidelines/Musculoskeletal/guideline-for-the-management-of-knee-and-hip-oa-2nd-edition.pdf.
I had fat pad impingement in both knees and ran on a treadmill under water and have been ever since…game changer! I do also walk on land now!😎
Exersice or Exercise???
Thank you. I learn something new every time. Can’t believe glucosamine is not recommended.
Arthritis = Osteoarthritis ?
Ok. No more editing.
I have such pain from bone on bone. I had arthroscopic surgery that is not recommended now. And I’m too weak from an illness to have knee replacement, the sound of that sounds bad anyway to me. But do not know what to do. I cannot do stairs at all just one at a time, in pain.
Hmm. I hope the rec against acupuncture was either conditional or based on cost, because I’ve had really good results treating patients with knee arthritis pain in my clinic. (I’m an acupuncturist.) It’s not always a permanent fix but for a lot of people it’s the only thing that’s worked, including PT and surgeries. (Though for many of my patients I recommend going to PT to strengthen around the knee to complement my treatment.) I wonder what outcomes they were looking at in the acupuncture studies. Because I don’t know that there would be much structural change, and possibly the arthritic bone changes would still be there, but there is definitely (in most cases) good pain control, improved mobility and improved quality of life.
…so are you recommending no surgery for meniscus
Walking hurts my knee. Hip.
Very interested in this study. Can you post a link so I can read it?
What if the arthritis is so bad one can't walk without a cane or crutch? I would think that flutter kicking would help.
With respect to glucosamine chondroitin, look into using it in conjunction with Pentosan.It's super cheap and works. Not sure if as drs you can actually prescribe it but it's easily available regardless.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2873929/
Great channel btw just found it
This sheds better light on join regeneration and healing IMOhttps://youtu.be/wP1Vv5Bzw_Q
When I strained my knee the tape helped while I was working on house renovations which needed to be done in a timely manner. I used the tape for just a week and only when I was doing the actual work. After the week, I simply babied my knee when going up stairs etc….Over time I strengthened my knee again ("slowly" just by normal use) and in a total of 4-5 weeks it was completely better. I found the tape helped in my particular situation, but I would never depend on tape. In my opinion, dependency equals eventual weakness of the knee.
Don't you send giveaway to India?
Strengthen the muscles around the knee. Wear a compression sleeve.
Using a cane: which is the correct side if the right knee is the one affected?
Oh heck…I had a non displaced, minimally depressed lateral tibial plateau fracture from skiing jump impact, my MRI 14 months post shows bone marrow edema. My doc says only way to know whats going on is to scope, I have a something like a band that rubs on lateral side after bending knee from full extension at about 30 degrees..and some pain on full extension on the bone ends of lateral femoral condyle and tib plateau. So now what…….I returned to skiing in pain for the season and now season has ended and pain has subsided but still with issues. Do I go for an exploratory scope???? To me less is more…but it's 14 months……
What of someone who has an ACL tear and has arthritis in the knee?So no knee surgery?
Why do I have the crackling and feeing like the keen may buckle or slightly locking or hitching. The MRI shows mild meniscus tear along with arthritis under knees caps. Pain after sitting can be 8 + , sometimes movements can cause limping. Weight loss is inhibited with reduced motion.Any advice please
If someone is obese & they keep walking on a bum knee that seems counter intuitive, because the weight has damaged the cartilage & all that from the shock absorption on the knee. Isn't the point with the water exercises? Especially if it continues to be painful, they may just stop all together & make it worse?
Would have also liked to hear the "why" behind these recommendations (for or against.) Like why dis acupuncture? Did it just not work? Did it cause additional knee problems? Was it considered too expensive for the results one gets? Is it too difficult to find a good practitioner? Also, eliminating inflammatory foods should be the very first step in trying to alleviate any joint pain!
Why no one addresses the problem of inflammation which is the only thing that causes pain, get rid of inflammation and you will get rid of pain.
What about hyoluronic injections, are they still recommended?
Re K tape: there is often a benefit from the amplified proprioception which can correct bad form and therefore change the use of a joint or the pronation etc. There is also a benefit in the compression given in that area. So I wouldn’t rule it out completely. IMHO
What about knee brace – these are often the first thing people use with knee pain – and there are all kinds available Question is are they beneficial or not.?
I had a meniscus surgery for a tear and my knee has never been right since. Never. I also tore the meniscus in my other knee, did not have the surgery and today it is fine. Getting that surgery is the biggest mistake of my life.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! You guys are awesome! Have you guys researched diet as a form of treatment for knee pain as well? I’ve suffered from knee pain and had a laparoscopy surgery on one of my knees and thankfully doing well but my other knee is hurting a lot now. Since I’m on a plant based diet now, my pain has improved drastically. I’ve omitted dairy since it causes inflammation and my pain has gone away since I’ve switched to this diet. I highly recommend it!
Man I love the info you guys provide.
Local recreation centres are less expensive and have all of the facilities!
Been told by a hospital physiotherapist not to use under the arm crutches as it can damage the lymph nodes there, true?
Hello have you heard of unmyelinated Senory nerve fibers, Genicular Artery Embolizaion, Sid Padia, M.D., Director, Intervention Radiology at UCLA Santa Monica, It sounds like promising hope for all those who suffer from arthritis pain.
It was a META study, right?
I completely disagree with thr ice v heat. I used heat for years. I have stenosis RA and have also had lumbar surgery. About a year ago I was just thinking, heat doesn't make sense. I've been standing all day, my back was enflamed. I used ice for about 20 minutes and wanted to slap myself for not doing it years ago. It makes sense. I do not however use ice on spasms. Also a huge disagree on the acupuncture. That is bureaucratic crazy talk! Love you guys!
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